Nah, I'm ragging on you for saying "something created needs a creator." Of course that's true, but it's a tautology. The problem is showing that the universe is, indeed, a created thing.
I second Mike, and I'll go one step further and assert that there is no way we can "prove" that the universe is a created thing (which then requires a creator) to those outside of the narrative of faith. Attempting to win this point, or most of the points associated with traditional Christian apologetics, strikes me as a massive waste of time.
Rather than attempting to translate faith into an alternate narrative (say the narrative of the Enlightenment) and an alternate epistemology (say the epistemology of physical science), I think we would be better off, and actually more successful, if we spent more time embodying our faith while speaking a foreign language.
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Sure, physical creations need creators. But who said the universe is a physical creation?
Wow, you have opened a whole can of philosophical worms. And I don't have time to say anything....
K, fine, substitute "universe" with "earth". Are you suggesting the earth is not a physical creation?
I'm intrigued to see that argument.
Nah, I'm ragging on you for saying "something created needs a creator." Of course that's true, but it's a tautology. The problem is showing that the universe is, indeed, a created thing.
I second Mike, and I'll go one step further and assert that there is no way we can "prove" that the universe is a created thing (which then requires a creator) to those outside of the narrative of faith. Attempting to win this point, or most of the points associated with traditional Christian apologetics, strikes me as a massive waste of time.
Rather than attempting to translate faith into an alternate narrative (say the narrative of the Enlightenment) and an alternate epistemology (say the epistemology of physical science), I think we would be better off, and actually more successful, if we spent more time embodying our faith while speaking a foreign language.
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